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The problem is that they measure this, and if it's true for many they will just change it until they find the right way to keep you there. It's a giant machine dedicated to turn users into addicts. Regulation (sad) and most of all education is the only things that I believe can help here.

Tax them -> spend in education.... not that I think it will happen though! :)


if cholesterol predicted future cognitive health we wouldn’t need dedicated tests, do we?


the better way to phrase that would be "is predictive"... there is an association, but it is not high accuracy.


The forecast predicts rain, I'm still going to look outside before I throw on a raincoat


Isn't building a 90% frontier model relatively cheap for EU?

I feel like EU could start a company, start from available open weight models, feed 2bln a year into it (1% of the EU budget) and make a compelling almost SOTA model for the EU market. This company could partner with datacenter providers and sell it hosted in the EU or somewhere else with EU protection terms. The budget for this company would easily double with the added revenues and you are creating an ecosystem of providers that can compete with US big-techs and have a 500 million people market that can't wait to ditch US companies for them, given the current mood.

The model can be open weight and it's an easy way to compound the efforts we are seeing in China without even having to talk to each other. Maybe there is a way to make it work not open weights but I am not sure how would that work.

These are those kind of decisions that seem such no brainers to me, which probably means I am completely out of touch with reality.


1% of the budget is a really big number. The EU has a lot than a hundred responsibilities that demand money.


Europeans are risk averse and don't have access to that many deep pocketed risk-taking VCs. On top of that the US is poaching all the talent since most EU firms won't or can't match the salaries offered in the US to AI researchers.

This may change in the future as AI gets more commoditized and the current US admin keeps shooting itself in the foot but they are still very far ahead right now


> I feel like EU could start a company,

That's not how market-based economies work...

> feed 2bln a year into it and make a compelling almost SOTA model

...and the reason is, if you give a bunch of people €2b a year and tell them "go try and make something", they'll make a ton of paperwork covering their asses and very little actual output.

This is irrespective if those people are European ("european google killer"), American ("cost plus" old US aerospace companies) or Chinese (which is why they do it a little different).

If there are no incentives to really try really hard, they won't do it.

In many high-tech cases in Europe, the formula for "let's subsidise the hell out of research and hope a commercially-viable business comes out" has a really poor track record.

Your second option - and possibly the best bet - is to find an existing company that already showed they're capable, and shower them with money, which is what French are doing with Mistral.


Good idea in theory, but in reality 90% of this 2bn budget would just be swallowed up by the bureaucracy that would surround this.


I am wondering if this is why they can offer their pro model at ~1/4th of the price compared to the other providers offering the same model, and if other providers will be able to do the same in a short timeframe.


Inference I estimate runs 90% plus gross margins. Just work out the math on these servers. I am pretty sure any player can price down. It wouldn't look good on an IPO prospectus.


I have been heavily using DeepSeek V4 Pro at Max for a month now and I would say it is 100x cheaper. If I pay for Claude I will hit that limit so fast I am always waiting 5 hours. Using the frontier models at Kilo I go through dollars while doing the same thing via DeepSeek it is pennies.


I believe the comment you replied to was talking about the cost on providers like OpenCode vs Deepseek API. Deepseek API is even cheaper than the other providers for the same deepseek models.


It'd presumably help a lot, but also when you use their endpoint they get more training data.


This applies to every provider. OpenAI seems to be the worst hoarder.


actually you can buy inference on third party providers that serve deepseek v4 pro with zero data retention (ZDR).


Only reliable way to have zero data retention is to self-host.


True. But at some point you got to close your eyes and take a step forward.

It’s like with VPN providers. Is Mullvad actually collaborating with law enforcement? They very well could be. It is a calculated risk.

Is DeepInfra actually logging and training or selling the logs? They could be.


Mullvad has proved it doesn't collect. It's laughable to even suggest it.

They have been raided multiple times, tons of audits, does bleeding edge research on privacy preserving tech, donates to GOS, etc etc. You don't see this kind of VPN company at all because none exists.


With Mullvad the threat space is also different. Most of the data is end-to-end encrypted anyway with proven methods. With LLMs you can't do that yet.


How does one find trustworthy ZDR DeepSeek 4 Pro providers?


US labs do it too.


Name any 2 or 3 that published bleeding edge research and similar in the last 6 months.

Well I can't think of even one at the moment, to be honest might be biased but all Chinese research labs are largely oss except Alibaba now.

I am certain there are lots of American labs that claim to do it, but either they are marketting in hype since they aren't even close to the frontier or contrarily just don't make anything of significant value public/oss.


Google and Nvidia...


US labs are the biggest data broker in the current history. They collect everything, dumb fuck.


Internet is more and more becoming a commercialization platform. If you are selling something on your website, you still want Google (or ChatGPT for that matters) to expose customers to your product. The gate is the actual delivery of the product is behind a purchase/signup. Google and others want to control the entire customer journey, to the point the your website is simply a way to pass metadata to them. They are actually achieving this!

this kills the entire internet vibe of the 90s, early 2k


> is more and more becoming a commercialization platform

FTFY: "couple of decades since has become". The vibes of passion-driven 1990s started to be overwhelmed by the din of money right when the Internet has become a major commerce venue, some time in early 2000s.


The content has long been commercialized, it's the platform itself, that it is now undergoing that change.


Maybe it's time to think about alternative ways to market your products, if search engine ranking and SEO got broken. I have no idea how, I don't need or do that, but it seems we're past breaking point.


Honestly UX became irrelevant in the last years (infra as code) and even more in the last year (coding agents). What you need is well structured API and a CLI that does not limit you. You can call it UX if you want, but the skillset is different.

When I started my latest project my first rule was: I never have to login to AWS console. I didn’t achieve ‘never’ but I am pretty close and the experience is a lot better


Question. How does it work if I own a repository (opt out, don't use copilot) and I give access to someone else (use is opted in and uses copilot). Do you train on his submissions of my code? How can you know what that he has the right to share the code with you for training?


while I agree, I understood this is only when you use copilot? if not, their communication is very misleading


You might want your browser to do Bluetooth, NFC, Background stuff, Face Detection but I don't.

I like to use Apple products for things that are commodities to me because I am not gonna look into the details of those and when I do Apple reasoning often make sense to me (just like this list).

There is a lot more we can criticize about these big tech corps (including Apple) than a product decision for a company that is known for making polarizing decisions on behalf of their customers. If people buy it... they must like it, no?


Then don't use it? These features require explicit permission.


exactly what I do. they are still annoying because providers want to me to be engaged on their terms and keep pushing these features and don’t offer a broad “never use bluetooth on any website ever” kind of option. Magic of KPIs

anyway the point here is that I don’t really care if Safari is behind in support. The article was about blaming Safari for being behind.


You guys probably already know but I saw a live demo of something very similar from these guys:

https://bright.ai/autonomous-inspection/

definitely where we want to be as a society! Keep up!


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